source file: mills2.txt Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 08:21:12 -0700 Subject: Reply to Marion From: "John H. Chalmers" Marion: To answer your question, Vic Stenger, a physicist at the U of Hawaii, has just written a book on the subject. (The title is something like the Quantum Mind or Quantum Brain). It is, or will be, available from Prometheus Books this Fall. Stenger does not think QM is necessary to explain consciousness or other mental activities. His argument is that the product of the mass (m) of neurotransmitters secreted at the synapse times the velocity (v) of molecules at body temperature times the distance (d) the molecules must travel before binding to their receptors is about more than 100 times Planck's constant. For quantum effects to be important, the product mvd should be of the same order as PC. Another argument, from to Penrose, is that the microtubles of the brain cells might show QM effects. However, microtubles are even larger than neurotransmitter molecules. Even if mt's had QM effects in the nervous system, why not also in the Liver and other organs where they are also prominent? The other point raised in your post is speed. The brain is a massively parallel computer, so while the speed of each element is low, the ensemble can carry out an enormous number of operations per unit time. --John Received: from eartha.mills.edu [144.91.3.20] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 18:10 +0100 Received: from by eartha.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id JAA12599; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:09:50 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:09:50 -0700 Message-Id: <9509300909.aa02129@cyber.cyber.net> Errors-To: madole@ella.mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu