source file: mills2.txt Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 21:04:50 -0800 Subject: Question: Equal temperament in ancient China? From: mcelwain@world.std.com (Charles E McElwain) Recently on the hpschd-l mailing list, the following discussion appeared. I'd like to know if people closer to tuning issues can confirm or deny this origin, and/or provide other references (preferably in English translation) regarding it. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Charles E. McElwain mcelwain@world.std.com | | 33 Vernon Street, Somerville, MA, 02145 (617) 628-5542 | ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Exerpt from hpschd-l begins ------------------------------- About a month ago, Tom Parsons wrote: I read somewhere once (in Barbour?) that e.t. was first worked out by a Chinese mathematician incredibly far back in the past. And the author pointed out that in the Chinese musical system there was no need for it. (If someone knows more recent scholarship on this, I'd be interested to hear of it.) Back in Hong Kong briefly (after trying mostly in vain to log on from Xi`an, China where I am teaching this semester), I was interested to see the above reference to China in the equal temperament discussion. Following is a note from my article, "The Harpsichord and Clavichord in China during the Ming and Qing Dynasties," in the Westfield Center for Early Keyboard Studies Newsletter (Oct. 1994): In Chinese musical philosophy, tuning, and even individual pitches, held both acoustic and abstract meaning, as well as the power to transmit physical and spiritual qualities (qi). This helps to explain Kangxi`s interest in tuning the harpsichords; tuned instruments signified an orderly empire. There was great interest in tuning systems; Zhu Zaiyu was the first to describe equal temperament in China in 1584 (see Kenneth Robinson, A Critical Study of Chu Tsai-yu`s Contribution to the Theory of Equal Temperament in Chinese Music (Wiesbaden: Franz Steiner Verlag, 1980). So it was not so different from the west, where tuning was both a philosophical as well as practical endeavor. Since Matteo Ricci brought the first clavichord to China around 1600, the proximity of these dates open up the possibility that western keyboard instruments in China during the western baroque period might at some point have been tuned to equal temperament. On this subject, an American colleague also teaching here (Prof. Gene Cho, HK Baptist University) is researching the connection between Matteo Ricci and this Chinese equal temperament, theorizing that he might have communicated the Chinese idea back to Europe. Joyce Lindorff ------- Exerpt from hpschd-l ends -------------------------------- Received: from eartha.mills.edu [144.91.3.20] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:43 +0100 Received: from by eartha.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id VAA13086; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 21:43:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 21:43:36 -0800 Message-Id: <951104054015_71670.2576_HHB22-1@CompuServe.COM> Errors-To: madole@ella.mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu