source file: mills2.txt Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:21:56 -0700 Subject: Hindemith From: PAULE Gary wrote: > I seem to recall somebody saying the Paul Hindemith professed to teach >composition in terms of the harmonic series, although (as far as I know) >strictly within the 12TET system. > Anybody know any more on that? Yes, Hindemith made it clear to his students that the major triad is patterned after the harmonic series, and many writers on orchestration show the "chord of nature" as a sort of ideal voicing: large intervals on the bottom, small ones on top. Please read Partch's "Genesis of a Music" for an excellent historical survey of music theory as it relates to the harmonic series or just ratios. Both Hindemith and Schoenberg conceived 12-tone composition in terms of the harmonic series, but while Schoenberg went too high up the harmonic series, Hindemith stayed down too low. Schoenberg could explain the whole chromatic scale as harmonic series above C, F, and G; however, in identifying C# with the 13th harmonic of F as well as the 11th harmonic of G, he was identifying it with two notes a semitone apart. Meanwhile, Hindemith expressed all 12TET intervals as 5-limit just ratios, and identified the strength of the relationship with the simplicity of the ratio: Strongest 2/1 (octave) 3/2 (perf. fifth) 4/3 (perf. fourth) 5/3 (maj. sixth) 5/4 (maj. third) 6/5 (min. third) 8/5 (min. sixth) 9/5 (min. seventh) 9/8 (maj. second) 15/8 (maj. seventh) 16/15 (min. second) 45/32 (tritone) Weakest (He construed this sequence as sort of a "tone row" in his Ludus Tonalis.) So he is really constructing the chromatic scale by building major triads on C, F, G, Db, and Eb, and a minor triad on B: a rather arbitrary construction. He then assumes that the relationships he set forth will be heard as such without the conncting triads. I would argue that a tritone is never directly heard as a 45/32; it is almost as close to 7/5 as a minor sixth is to 8/5, so 45/32 is silly except in some kind of "extended referece" theory and then only in very specific situations. Other ratios he put forth are not going to be directly heard as such, or only in certain chords. Received: from eartha.mills.edu [144.91.3.20] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 04:12 +0100 Received: from by eartha.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id TAA28699; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:12:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:12:56 -0700 Message-Id: <960607020702_71670.2576_HHB85-7@CompuServe.COM> Errors-To: madole@ella.mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu