source file: mills2.txt Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 04:43:00 -0700 Subject: RE: Stretching 88CET From: Gary Morrison <71670.2576@compuserve.com> > My experience with non-octave scales (and > I'm still playing with them) is that although you can set up functional > harmonic relationships and weird but beautiful melodies without octaves, > once you "modulate" far enough to use an interval which is a near-octave, > that won't sound like a distant harmonic relationship but like an > out-of-tune version of the same note. I absolutely agree with Paul here; off-octaves (in 88CET at least) to my ears really do sound like out-of-tune octaves rather than pitch relationships in themselves. Some have disagreed however. In my 88CET demo tape I have an example of traditional harmonies as rendered in 88CET. The first ... six I think it was ... chords illustrate this "wandering tonic" effect. The progression I think was a typical I V ii V V7 I. The trick is that the second I chord is written with the tonic in a different octave from the first. The effect I think is really wild and fascinating: If you're not paying much attention, it just sounds like a boring old chorale fragment. But if you listen more carefully (and only a little more carefully), you notice that the tonic mysteriously migrated by about 1/41 octave. All of our musical experience since childhood tells us that we just went 360 degrees around and landed where we started, but mysteriously we somehow landed somewhere else. Forgive me for pushing one of my proverbial hot-buttons, but some feel that this wandering tonic effect is a problem to be dealt with, but to me it's a really interesting, surprising, and useful musical effect. Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:38 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA00589; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:39:42 +0100 Received: from eartha.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA00587 Received: from by eartha.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id GAA05589; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 06:39:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 06:39:38 -0700 Message-Id: <961004092444.2042111a@emuvax.emich.edu> Errors-To: madole@ella.mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu