source file: mills2.txt Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:28:10 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Szanto" Buddies, Since I have been lurking, a couple of comments came together to get me babbling again, and they be: >and boy, this list is sort of dull lately...too much polite math >talk...we need a good controversy to get things rolling...Hstick .. followed closely by ... >Or perhaps people don't use ANY notation if they can avoid it. Those of >us who use non-realtime instruments might need some sort of chart or >table to help in making a piece, but a detailed score seems superfluous. >Of course, the situation may be different where performers are involved >but I find it a tremendous relief not to have to bother with it. > >Paul Turner Seems to me that the last few weeks have been looking as if sponsored by the old HP Calculators. Question in general: being that most all involved here are interested in tuning alternatives to 12TET, and sounds like most wish that more people could experience the lovely/ugly/amazing worlds that these intonations open up, wouldn't we all be forwarding the cause if more music were created that *involved* people, rather than spanking the software-monkey another time? I know the pleasures myself of having the control of every note and nuance, or letting an algorithm do it's thing. Nonetheless, and cognizant of the wonderful pieces that have been done in 'non-realtime', does any of it compare to the community experience of, say, playing in a gamelan? And doesn't Paul's last bit, "the situation may be different where performers are involved but I find it a tremendous relief not to have to bother with it" read almost like "bother with them" (i.e., live musicians performing the work)? [NOTE: apparently the PC police have been attempting to control the terms here on the tuning list, too: is it non-12TET? allotonal? microtonal? xenharmonic? what???] Given the choice of *doing* intonational music or *having it done to me*, I know which I would choose, and it is the same one that I propose would be most, um, beneficially nurturing to a larger audience and/or new performers. ..or something like that. Gad, it's true: Neil H. and I are twin love-children of Elvis and Nadia Boulanger! Cheers, Jon PS: What I find lacking in the list of late are the laconic and luxurious linguistics of G. Taylor, but maybe that's just me... *--------------------------------------------------------------------* Jonathan M. Szanto | If spirits can live online . . . . . . . . . Backbeats & Interrupts | . . . then Harry lives in Corporeal Meadows jszanto@adnc.com | http://www.adnc.com/web/jszanto/welcome.html *--------------------------------------------------------------------* Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:56 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA08319; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:57:58 +0200 Received: from eartha.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA08303 Received: from by eartha.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id FAA06190; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 05:57:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 05:57:55 -0700 Message-Id: Errors-To: madole@ella.mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu