source file: mills2.txt Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 01:02:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Fractional comma manifesto From: kollos@cavehill.dnet.co.uk (Jonathan Walker) My thanks to Kami Rousseau for an interesting post; since I have recently been working along the same lines, using int[n log2(3)], I'd like to make a few comments. > M={ (3^x / 2^y) / (81/80)^(x/4) | a=log2(3), x E Z, y=[ax]}. > > The expression can be simplifed to > > M={ 5^x / 2^(y-x) | a=log2(3), x E Z, y=[ax]}. This simplification is not a correct (a typo?); the correct expression is: M = {5^(x/4) / 2^(y-x) | a = log2(3), x E Z, y = [ax]} Or if I may re-write this in my own preferred notational form: M = {2^(n-m).5^(n/4) : n E Z, m = [x log2(3)]} where n will be assigned values of 1 to 12 for a 12-notes per octave keyboard. Without an upper limit for n, the cardinality of M will of course be aleph-null. There is no such handy simplification for the other regular syntonic comma-based temperaments (i.e. what we loosely call meantone temperaments in addition to the 1/4-comma temperament). The members of the 1/6-comma set are all of the form: (2^(2-m).3.5^(1/2))^(n/3) For 1/5-comma: (2^(4-m).3.5)^(n/5) For 2/9-comma: (2^(8-m).3.5^2)^(n/9) The notation including the root of the syntonic comma is therefore better suited to the task of generalising the meantone-related temperaments. > T={ (3^x / 2^y) / (3^12 / 2^19)^(x/12) | a=log2(3), x E Z, y = [ax]} This can be simplified thus (I'll retain my notation): 12TET = {2^(19-m).3^(n-12) : n E Z, m = [n log2(3)]} or still further, but rather inelegantly: 12TET = {2^(19 - [n log2(3)]).3(n-12) : n E Z} 2^(n log2(3)) = 3^n of course, but the whole exponent doesn't simplify thus. The cardinality is 12 because, as Kami implied, for n = 12, the exponents are both 0, and the cycle begins again. > By studying this procedure, we discover that each ET is generated by a > special enharmonic relation. > > 5TET B=C > 7TET C#=C > 12TET B#=C > 19TET BX=C > > As the number of degrees increases, the comma gets smaller and the > fifths get purer. Sorry, but the comma does not become smaller as the number of notes to the octave increases. However the amount by which each 3/2 is tempered does not also increase, because if t is the amount by which each 3/2 is tempered and k is the comma , then t = k^(1/n) for a given nTET, so increasing values of n and k will not yield increasing values of t. For instance, for 31TET (the aural equivalent of meantone): k = 2^-[31log2(3)].3^31 = 2^-49 . 3^31 = 160.6 cents to one place but t = k^(1/31) = 5.2 cents to one place Or for 74TET (the aural equivalent of 2/9-comma temperament): k = 2^-[74log2(3)].3^74 = 2^-117 . 3^74 = 344.7 cents to one place but t = k^(1/74) = 4.7 cents to one place You asked for comments, Kami, so I hope the above is of some use. -- Jonathan Walker Queen's University Belfast mailto:kollos@cavehill.dnet.co.uk http://www.music.qub.ac.uk/~walker/ Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:37 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA06929; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:38:34 +0100 Received: from eartha.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA07122 Received: from by eartha.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id FAA00841; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 05:38:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 05:38:24 -0800 Message-Id: <961125083611_231165973@emout13.mail.aol.com> Errors-To: madole@ella.mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu