source file: mills2.txt Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:01:19 -0800 Subject: Ghost Tones?? reply to Matt&GottaStik From: clucy@cix.compulink.co.uk (Charles Lucy) This missive is to answer Thursday's references to LucyTuning, and my prior comments; by both Matt Nathan and Haverstick. I put them together as they are both concerned with the same possible ambiguities of the terms: harmonic(s), partials, nodes, etc. * When I touch a guitar string gently at specific points, I can hear tones which are "higher" than the open string or the fretted string. * Now that I have your attention, let's explore some possibilities! Probably everyone on this list has read Helmholtz, most have also prolly read Baccus (God of Whine?). They explain the conventional wisdom in tuning theory and the arithmetc of musical acoustics. I read both many years ago, when I was first curious about tuning. My copies are somewhere under a dismantled aeroplane in a barn in Herefordshire UK. I abandoned humping hard copies around the planet, many years ago, when I realised that they are in every local library when I need them. Now let's go back to the stars (* & *) (i.e. the sentence between the stars) and work through an alternative perspective slowly What are these tones??? Conventional wisdom tells us that these tones are HARMONICS. Matt Nathan suggests that we call them NODES Some people would call them OVERTONES Others would call them "Ghost tones", "Sweet high tones", "singing notes", [The list is as long and poetic as you like to make it.] ^ The traditional mathematical model of musical tuning and acoustics states that these "ghost tones" (for sake of a better term) are found at frequencies which are small integer ratios to the fundamental or open string frequency. This is the assumption upon which Just Intonation is based. ^ [So far, so good? Do we all agree? Is this true? i.e. lack of controversy?] Now let us consider the sentences between the ^ hats ^. No! Let's wait for your replies, (agreement?) Then we can continue to explore another way for the "blind man to describe the elephant". Charles Lucy from Puna, Hawaii (whilst jk naps in the Puna Bomber and the sun sinks into the volcano). LucyTuning websites: www.WonerlandInOrbit.com/projects/lullaby ourworld.compuservecom/homepages/lullaby Arc Angel Website: http://www.gold.net/users/du27/index.html Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 19:35 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA29332; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 19:35:38 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA29306 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id KAA07649; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:32:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:32:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199702071759.JAA10213@sunatg1> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu