source file: mills2.txt Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:25:51 -0800 Subject: Truth and Beauty From: James Kukula I hear that millenia ago folks could reason from one mathematical proposition to another, but they didn't have the idea that there was some nice neat foundation from which all other true propositions could be derived. Euclid's name is often associated with that technique. & of course Goedel's. So with music. Certainly there are lots of musical systems, including alternative tuning systems. We can compare these, discover relationships of mutual support or conflict, etc. And we can also try to dig or distill to find some foundation or essence, some secure truth from which we can infer the truth value of the many musical propositions we entertain. Somehow it seems that when folks go foundation hunting, they often bag quite a variety of game. Variety is not altogether bad in fruit, but it's death to roots. The effort to resolve conflicts instead intensifies the conflicts. If science cannot resolve a conflict, is the matter worth pursuing? If we say "no", then don't we discard the most important treasures of humanity? If we say "yes", do we thereby enlist in new rounds of religious warfare? Stephen Toulmin's COSMOPOLIS: THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF MODERNITY nicely argues that science grew out of the bitter religious conflicts that arose during the 16th & 17th Centuries. Toulmin describes some of the devastation of the 30 years war, 1618-1648. I was eating lunch with a Polish friend the other day, who recalled that the Polish population declined from 10 million to 6 million during just a few years of that conflict. I've heard that some regions of Central Europe suffered 70% mortality during that war. So science was more or less an agreement to focus on issues that could be resolved by recourse to objective observation, logic, etc. To remove other issues from the political sphere. To decriminalize (religious) heresy. I've just started looking at ECOLOGIES OF KNOWLEDGE: WORK AND POLITICS IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, ed. by Susan L. Star. A sentence: The sociology of art has been concerned with the question of whether some things aren't *really* just beautiful (in a timeless or transcendental fashion). There's a note on this sentence to Howard Becker, no specific work. But in the bibliography his ART WORLDS is listed, so that might have some relevance to the matter. This issue is perhaps the fundamental problem of our time, so its scope is far vaster than music and tuning. But music and tuning might actually capture the issue in a nutshell. Mathematics meets aesthetics, face to face. Out of the muck grows and blossoms the most beautiful flower! Jim Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 05:54 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA08234; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 05:54:20 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA08227 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id UAA27479; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:52:42 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:52:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199702162350_MC2-115B-A62A@compuserve.com> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu