source file: mills2.txt Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:58:01 -0800 Subject: Diatonic Analysis Insufficient From: Matt Nathan > > [Matt Nathan] > > " The fact that > > the third of this chord lies close to the tonic of the key > > should not be taken to mean that they are both tonics of > > the key, one being "wandered", any more than the leading > > tone should be considered a "wandered" tonic, or the major > > third of the V of ii (near C# in C) should be considered a > > "wandered" tonic. " > > [Gary Morrison] > Frankly I wouldn't buy that. If the harmony makes clear > that you're playing a vi chord, then its third is the tonic. > That's built into the definition of diatonic triads. Sure, but definitions are not music. I say let the music make the definitions, not the reverse. Harmony can "make clear" at least two different chords which a simple diatonic analysis would be incapable of distinguishing. This leaves the analyser with a false dilemna of deciding which one is the correct chord. Either is correct, depending on the harmonic context. Here are the quickest progressions which get you to these two distinct chords while keeping one or more common tones between successive chords: 1/1 5/4 3/2 (major triad built on 1/1 root) 5/3 1/1 5/4 (minor triad on 5/3 root) and 1/1 5/4 3/2 (major on 1/1) 3/2 15/8 9/8 (major on 3/2) 9/8 27/20 27/16 (minor on 9/8) 27/16 81/80 81/64 (minor on 27/16) The first example sends us directly to the relative minor. The second example leaves us in a place that is distant from the original key and which sets up some tension to be unwound on the way home. It's a shame that these two chords are confounded by a diatonic assumption. If you decide "there are only 7 notes, so I will only use 7 notes", then you're going to have to use tuning systems which purposely incorporate distributed errors to consolidate (confound by single representation) the many pitch classes which would normally result from various (JI) root motions. > If the harmony is ambiguous enough to confuse a leading > tone with a tonic, then that would not fall within the > realm of diatonic harmony. If a diatonic analysis is crippled enough to confuse 81/80 with 1/1, then it doesn't fall within the realm of usefulness. The wonderful ability of harmony to carry us into new areas is hobbled by having to reuse pitches from a previous context. As any jazz player knows, you "blow over the changes", you don't just keep playing the same scale. Matt Nathan Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:06 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA14643; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:06:52 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA14648 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id HAA10363; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 07:05:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 07:05:03 -0800 Message-Id: <009B04627D97D76F.3733@vbv40.ezh.nl> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu