source file: mills2.txt Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 06:02:21 -0800 Subject: Re: relativity and understanding and Sagan From: rtomes@kcbbs.gen.nz (Ray Tomes) Aline Surman wrote: >All of this relates to music, to me...I cannot separate music from any >other facet of life, including what we call "science." But, science just >shows, in mathematical or other terms, what is there in a fashion that >may or may not explain what's REALLY happening. For me also, everything is related. But science is not an explanation it is a model. Any model is most likely not exactly correct but that does mean that there are some things with which it cannot ever deal. >Even one of the greatest >scientists of all time, Newton, was well aware of the limits of science, >and spent much time exploring other, more important, facets of what makes >the Universe tick. I would like to word this differently. I would say the limits of "science as it is practiced". In principle, science can be applied to anything. That it is not is only a human shortcoming. > I myself have experienced many phenomena which are >well beyond the capacity of any "scientific" explanationm, and which, >unfortunately, many folks who consider science the be all and end all, >would probably not believe in, anyway. And my own experiences, personal >though they may be, are quite valid and illuminating as to the fact that >there are greater realities out there, which what we call the scientific >method would be quite helpless at explaining, or understanding. In recent years I have come to understand through my scientific research that many matters that are normally considered mystical or religious can be understood scientifically also if only we have prepared the ground beforehand. That many scientists and others reject such matters is a statement about their shortcomings rather than the limits of science. -- Ray Tomes -- rtomes@kcbbs.gen.nz -- Harmonics Theory -- http://www.kcbbs.gen.nz/users/rtomes/rt-home.htm Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:11 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA03447; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:11:07 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA03384 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id IAA24284; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:09:18 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:09:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199703171556.HAA23632@ella.mills.edu> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu