source file: mills2.txt Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:13:31 -0800 Subject: science and such From: Aline Surman Yow...John Chalmers and I were thinking exactly alike, it seems...I was just going to make a post about science/mysticsm, and he addressed the exact topic. What I would like to add is this...through the wonderful minds on this forum, I am forced to clarify my own beliefs, and I like that. In this case, it's important to realize, I think, that throughout most of history, all over the world, people DID NOT separate the Universe up into so many different parts as we seem to do now. Science, religion, myths, symbolism, dreams, and "reality" were all a little more closely related than they are now. So, when John suggests keeping "mysticism" and "science" separated from each other, I think it robs life of it's deeper meanings. When you check out the deepest meanings of many of the musics of the world, you find many esoteric relations happening which involve the interrelatedness of sound, color, math, emotion, spiritual meanings such as truth, joy, honor, etc. and on and on. I think that we, meaning sort of European descended white folks who immigrated to this mysterious land, may be the first culture in the history of the Earth who have the concept of "athiest" or "agnostic"...there's a topic to investigate. Some ancient cultures believed that knowing the name of God was a great source of power, and did not treat such matters lightly. Sound was known to have great healing and destructive power, and was used more carefully than it is today. Today, sadly, we sometimes tend to think these beliefs are a little old fashioned, perhaps, and now we "know better"...I don't think so. In fact, I think we've forgotten much that we had best start remembering soon, about just who we are, and what our role in the drama of eternity is to be. Math and science, religion and mysticism...what's the difference? Hstick Anyway, this forum is very unique, and lately has got quite profound at times. I don't care what a person believes as a personal philosophy as long as basic tenets such as peace, honor, and truth are displayed. I really am on some sort of quest in this life, and my involvement in these discussions is very important in that direction. Again, I don't know how to separate the Universe up into concepts such as art and science and religion...they are all descriptions of the same Universe, and there is no clear definition between any of them...Hstick Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:03 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA03909; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:03:00 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA03921 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id OAA02494; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:58:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:58:52 -0800 Message-Id: <9703171456.ZM27676@frollo> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu