source file: mills2.txt Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:37:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Astrology and Sagan From: rtomes@kcbbs.gen.nz (Ray Tomes) somebody wrote: >> > Carl Sagan's refutation of astrology: the gravitational force of the >> > obstetrician is greater than that of a moon or planet, at the momentof >> > your birth. 8-)> This is true, but why must any effects be gravitational? When you turn on your TV or radio, the e/m field associated with the light in your room and your body emmanations vastly exceed the e/m waves of the TV channel or radio station (your gravitational effect is greater too :-) And yet you can pick it up quite clearly! It is all a matter of resonance and tuning. >> my impression of the field is that there are forces much larger/deeper >> that act on all things, including the stars and planets used by >> astrologers. Too right! Gary Morrison > As you would expect for a scientist, Sagan's response to that sort of >claim would have been, "can you identify and characterize those alleged >forces?" To some extent. > "As it turns out, Astrologers can't even agree among themselves what a >given horoscope means. In careful tests they have been unable to predict >the lives of people about whom they know only the time and place of birth. You are right. Most astrologers cannot do astrology properly. However there are some very real effects which have been demonstrated by Michel Gauquelin and a few others. Astrology was bastardised about 2500 years ago to make money from innocents and has been that way ever since. > And besides how could it possibly work? How could the rising of Marsat >the time of my birth affect me, then or now? I was born in a closed room. >Light from Mars couldn't affect me. The only influence of Mars that could >have had any effect upon me was its gravity. But the gravitational >attraction of the obstetrician was much greater than the gravitation of >Mars. Mars is more massive, but he obstetrician was a lot closer." Forget gravity. There are many low frequency e/m waves in the solar system. I believe that these are responsible for, amoung other things, the location of the planets. See the diagram at http://www.kcbbs.gen.nz/users/rtomes/plan-wav.gif which shows the planetary distances in relation to two periods of e/m waves, 160 and 6 minutes. These periods also appear as oscillations in the sun. There is evidence that such periods exist as strong e/m waves. Low frequency waves also affect humans. This is a fact. I am talking 1 to 100 Hz here, but I expect there to be harmonics of the 160 and 6 minute waves present in the solar system also. Gauquelin's very scientific work definitely shows (and has been replicated) that the position of a planet relative to the horizon (not the stars) at the moment of birth is related to profession and personality. It has subsequently been proven (through inherited planetary configurations) that the pre-existing nature of the child chooses this moment rather than the position causing the child to be something. So the child sort of says "this signal is my cue". I agree that you will find very little benefit from astrology as it is practiced. -- Ray Tomes -- rtomes@kcbbs.gen.nz -- Harmonics Theory -- http://www.kcbbs.gen.nz/users/rtomes/rt-home.htm Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:38 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04981; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:38:53 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA04959 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id MAA01327; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:32:35 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:32:35 -0800 Message-Id: Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu