source file: mills2.txt Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 02:04:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Neanderthal flute From: mr88cet@texas.net (Gary Morrison) >On the other hand, the dating of this item and concurrent attribution to >the Neanderthal line of primates is quite significant. Definitely. It's the first clear evidence of what we call "art" outside of our species, albeit a very closely-related species. Of course the biggest caveat to that is the possibility that whale songs might also be "purposeless", pure expression. >The debate still rages whether we are descendents of this line, or not. The most coherent answer to that question I've heard says that the Neanderthals were the European descendents of Homo Erectus, and modern humans are the African descendents of Homo Erectus. (The Homo Erecta (?) that made it to Asia apparently died out comparatively quickly.) As Johnny accurately pointed out though, that theory is by no means universally accepted. Along those lines, it's interesting to note that Neanderthals were very big, burly, hearty species, living in severe cold most of the time, and in most cases hunting with essentially hand-to-hand combat. Many of them sustained severe injuries during hunts - far more severe than Homo Sapiens Sapiens like us generally did. All that, and they still apparently had time for music. Take that to the next debate on funding cuts for musical programs! >A joke making the circles now is that early music is older than people. A kinda analogous question: Which came first: Computers or computer graphics, given that Charles Babbage got the idea for storing programs for his Differential Engine on punched cards from the Jaquard (sp?) loom, which used them to wave intricate and visually pleasing patterns into fabrics. Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:58 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA01151; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:58:28 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA01149 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id GAA26905; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:55:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:55:20 -0700 Message-Id: <970407095424_1850334789@emout16.mail.aol.com> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu