source file: mills2.txt Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:57:22 -0700 Subject: Re: JI Puns From: Paul Hahn On Tue, 6 May 1997, Daniel Wolf wrote: > While temperaments can create ''stable'' puns by way of a kind of > portmanteau construction (e.g. the interval 4 in 12tet can be read as a pun > on 5/4 and 81/64), just intonations create puns by changing rational > interpretations in time. For example, a given tone can be approached as the > 5/4 third of one chord and departed as the subharmonic septimal seventh of > another. I don't see this as particularly punny at all. A tone might be the 8/7 of a 5/4 chord and the 5/4 of an 8/7 chord, but it's still 10/7 of the tonic either way. If these are puns, then one is punning every time one changes chords. But this essentially drains the meaning from the term. I would only consider something a pun (in more traditional terminology, an enharmonic substitution) if a tone were reinterpreted to a different part of the lattice, e.g. suddenly treating 15/8 as 48/25. --pH http://library.wustl.edu/~manynote <*> O /\ "Well, so far, every time I break he runs out. -\-\-- o But he's gotta slip up sometime . . . " Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Tue, 6 May 1997 23:04 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA06198; Tue, 6 May 1997 23:04:39 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA06196 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id OAA10278; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:02:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:02:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199705062049.NAA08646@ella.mills.edu> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu