source file: mills2.txt Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:39:29 -0700 Subject: Re: JI Puns From: Daniel Wolf Message text written by INTERNET:tuning@ella.mills.edu >A tone might be the 8/7 of a 5/4 chord and the 5/4 of an 8/7 chord, but it's still 10/7 of the tonic either way. If these are puns, then one is punning every time one changes chords. But this essentially drains the meaning from the term. I would only consider something a pun (in more traditional terminology, an enharmonic substitution) if a tone were reinterpreted to a different part of the lattice, e.g. suddenly treating 15/8 as 48/25.< Although the tone in my example may be heard as 10/7 of some pitch, it is not neccessarily heard as 10/7 above a tonic. A tonic is established from within a collection of pitches, and a pun is a function not of a single intervallic relationship but of a set of relationships. If I establish a tone as the 5/4 above a tonic and then suddenly present it as the 8/7 of a tone _not_ present in the initial collection, I am, in effect, moving our center of reference to a different part of the lattice. (If you still disagree, then please define how far apart on a given lattice two tones would have to be to qualify...). I cannot identify intonational puns with ''enharmonic substitutions'' alone. Above and beyond my discomfort with the term ''enharmonic'' when used in this context (I prefer to save ''enharmonic'' for the classical tetrachord with the narrowest pycnon), ''enharmonic substitutions'' arise in temperaments where series of intervals coincide and a single pitch can be notated in more than one way. Intonational puns (and no one has yet challenged my priority for the term) can cover a broader range of phenomena, including the deliberate use of close but wrong pitches, and pivot tones. Earlier on the list I distinguished portmonteau puns which are heard simultaneously in more than one sense and those that are heard differently over time. Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Wed, 7 May 1997 03:43 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA06451; Wed, 7 May 1997 03:43:17 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA06452 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id SAA03151; Tue, 6 May 1997 18:41:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:41:32 -0700 Message-Id: Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu