source file: mills2.txt Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 03:22:59 +0200 Subject: Digest 1090, 1092: Partch and dissonance From: "Jonathan M. Szanto" Hello listees, Regarding Adam's response in 1092 about 1090 - Partch, "Barstow" and dissonance: >>>> 1. Partch's instruments such as the Diamond Marimba and the Boo (both included in the 1956 "Barstow" revision) are inharmonic (do not have overtone partials which relate to the harmonic series). These instruments also have such short ring-times that you could not hear the overtones relating even if they were well-tuned. <<<<<<<< I recall a while back quite a bit of discussion (and disagreement) here on the list as to the harmonic content of plucked and bowed strings, with camps being roughly formed between observers of strings in performance (real world) and observers of strings in theory (science). The issue never seemed quite settled. Having plucked a few strings myself, I know that they don't all behave equally across the harmonic spectrum, and certainly change with time/playing. All that said, it seems that percussion instruments wouldn't be the only purveyors of inharmonic sounds -- that anything beyond carefully controlled situations would yield inharmonic pitches in the sound field also. Though a simple plucked guitar string, in new condition on a good day, probably *would* sound more consonant than a Bamboo Marimba. So would a sine-wave generator, or some other 'clean' pitch source. Of course, none of this gets into whether or not the timbral/dramatic nature of a given instrumentation (or 'orchestration) outweighs other (mitigating) factors. This is left as an exercise for the reader... By the way, I've found that unemployment (or underemployment, to be exact) can lead to anal-retentiveness: the revision Adam refers to was actually 1954, when the Diamond Marimba was added; the Boo part was tentatively penciled in during rehearsals in 1958 but didn't make it officially into the score until the revision in 1968, which is when the Columbia recording was done. I need a life. >>>> 2. As Partch progressed through life, he became more inclined to write dissonant, "mistuned" music which is based on his "Monophonic Scale," but is not necessarily in what would be purists would consider to be Just Intonation. Most people won't tell you this because they have not exmained his scores in detail (his tablature-noation makes this prohibitively time-consuming). <<<<<<<< I like this, because it had been quite a while since I had thought about consonance/dissonance in just intonational terms. While it is true that Partch progressed to a less 'textbook' usage of JI as the years went on, I'm not sure how that relates to purists, but maybe it could be considered "mistuned" music. One notes Adam's statement: "Most people won't tell you this...". Possibly, but you can hear Partch himself address at least the general nature of this in the lecture "A Quarter-Saw Section of Motivations and Intonations", included on Innova's Enclosure Two: In referring to Oedipus (1951/52): "In the coda of Oedipus, the resolution involves parts of true hexads, including a 33 identity, which is certainly dissonant, up to the penultimate; at the end, it is *dissonant* -- monophonically dissonant." About the Coda to Revelation in the Courthouse Park (1960): "Dissonances are frequent; only occasionally is a chord a true Monophonic hexad. But I emphasize: these are Just Intonation dissonances, not 12-tone equal temperment dissonances, and in my opinion, there is a vast difference." He apparantly had a different idea about the inclusion of dissonance within the framework of just intonation. On the other hand, while he certainly helped get the ball rolling, JI hasn't stood still since he stopped writing. An interesting area, anyhow. One last bit on Partch's direction/non-purist/non-ji behavior: "Once I had found a direction that carried an inherently compelling force, in almost total disregard for current "laws", ... the actual doing became dominant, and theory was often tedious, even unimportant. When the index of doing went up, the index of theory went down ... Rules and standards become meaningless once the simple truth is faced. Let us give to nuts and bolts the standardization of thread that we have come to expect, but let us give to music -- magic, to man -- magic." [Partch, Genesis of a Music, pp.xi-xii] That's it for my 30 minutes of scholasticism -- I've just been lurking on the list for a while. By the way, since the topic was someone hearing a different version of Barstow, I invite all of you to stop by the Meadows to see "Seven Ways To Barstow". If you have Netscape Navigator and RealAudio 3.0, you can compare *yourselves* s.e.v.e.n different renditions/versions of Section Number One ("Today I Am A Man") from "Barstow", complete with academically inept notes by yours truly. Man, I gotta get a full-time job one of these days... Cheers, all! Jon *--------------------------------------------------------------------* Jonathan M. Szanto | If spirits can live online . . . . . . . . . Backbeats & Interrupts | . . . . . 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