source file: mills2.txt Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:07:45 +0200 Subject: Octaves not exactly 2^N From: rtomes@kcbbs.gen.nz (Ray Tomes) While reading through the backlog of messages that built up while I was overseas for 3 weeks, I saw one about tunings with octaves not being exactly powers of 2. In most cases of variation it seems that values greater (rather than less) than 2 are found in practice. The reasons may relate to overtones being not exact harmonics of the fundamental. I would like to raise a theoretical reason for an irregular octave to see whether anyone has practical experience of such a thing. With just tunings, the whole idea is to have as many simple ratios between frequencies as possible. For a range of notes this is achieved by having frequencies which are some fundamental times 2^A*3^B*5^C*7*D with A, B, C and D all integers with ranges of perhaps 8, 3, 1 and 0 for a typical western scale, or maybe 12, 5, 2 and 1 for more interesting possibilities. [Note: the use of 12^2 does not mean that a ratio of >4096 in frequency must be used, as the powers of the other factors may be an offsetting effect. e.g. in the JI scale of 24 27 30 32 36 40 45 48, there is a variation of 5 powers of 2 although only one octave is spanned.] It so happens that when 8 octaves are spanned, a greater degree of strong relationships exist when a ratio of 252 is used than when 256 is used. It may be argued that 8 octaves are not normally spanned, however if the implied tuning of chord fundamentals and rhythm equivalents are included at the low end, and the overtones of notes at the high end, then the situation will be quite normal to span over 8 octaves. So how do I measure this "greater degree of strong relationships"? I use the the number of ways in which a number can be factorised, and whereas 64 and 128 can be factorised in more unique ways than 63 and 126, the reverse applies for 256 and 252. It is possible to make some special chords that tend to highlight this "need" for a reduced octave. Notes with relative frequencies of say 4:5:6:7:8:14:21:42:63 demonstrate the disparity between the 4 & 8 and the 63. This is a somewhat forced example to put the whole argument into a single chord. You can fiddle around from there to get the idea if you want. I am interested in whether anyone else has thought about such a note as this reduced tonic, or felt a need for it in their music? My reasons are purely theoretical. -- Ray Tomes -- rtomes@kcbbs.gen.nz -- Harmonics Theory -- http://www.kcbbs.gen.nz/users/rtomes/rt-home.htm Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:08 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04461; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:08:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:08:51 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA04459 Received: (qmail 26090 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1997 09:08:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Jun 1997 09:08:39 -0000 Message-Id: <199706230506_MC2-1908-2325@compuserve.com> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu