source file: mills2.txt Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:35:57 +0200 Subject: Re: the 6th chord and odd-limit theory From: gbreed@cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Breed) On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Paul Erlich wrote: > I wonder if there are any 7-limit analogues to these chords (i.e., chords in > which each interval is within the 7-limit but the chord as a whole is in a > higher limit). I think the answer is no. Anyone care to come up with a > counterexample? Now that I understand the question, it's easy to find a counterexample, or prove a slightly stronger version of the statement. To demonstrate this I will use ratio space axes. As I still don't know of a standard notation, I'll have to explain and use mine. As an example, here's a chord: (0 0 0 1) (0 0 0 0) (0 1 1 1) (0 -1 0 1) (0 1 0 0) (0 0 1 1) (0 0 -1 1)H (0 0 0 1)H - (0 0 1 0)H (0 -1 -1 0)H + (0 1 0 1)H (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 1) (0 1 1 0) In each matrix, each row is a note and each column corresponds to a prime factor. The matrix on the right is the otonal version. In ratio space terms, this is defined so that the lowest number in each column is zero. This chord is then revealed to be 15:21:35:105. This is a 105-limit otonality, but a 7-limit utonality (the middle representation). The intervals are all 7-limit or below. You can tell this because each interval involves adding a factor in one column and subtracting one from another. The intervals are, in fact, 5/7, 5/3, 3, 7/3, 5 and 7. The following assumes octave equivalence -- i.e. you ignore the first column. It also assumes there are only four columns in total (true for all 7-limit intervals). If you take the lower of the otonal and utonal limits, though, this can't be done. In a 7-limit interval, one column can go up by one, and another column can go down by one. If any note in the otonal representation has a number in any column that is not 0 or 1, there must be a >7-limit interval. If any note has more than one 1 in it, and another has more than one 0 in it, the interval between these notes must be >7-limit. Hence a chord with only 7. It doesn't apply, therefore, to higher prime limits where the otonal matrix needn't be binary. Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:06 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA27907; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:06:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:06:54 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA21122 Received: (qmail 13453 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1997 21:01:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jun 1997 21:01:46 -0000 Message-Id: <33B24B18@fsdsmtpgw.fsd.jhuapl.edu> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu