source file: mills2.txt Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:52:40 +0200 Subject: Re: Fokker From: gbreed@cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Breed) John Chalmers wrote: >BTW, Fokker used the idea of defining intervals in 2 and 3-D tones spaces >in a somewhat different way. He chose sets of "unison vectors," which he >set to 0, in 3x5 and 3x5x7 tone spaces to define temperaments as >"periodicity blocks" in the space. For example, the diesis and the syntonic >comma define a repeating block of 12 pitches as the area defined by the >absolute value of the cross product of the vectors describing these >intervals. (The box product is used for 3 intervals in 3-D space.) I >believe the concept can be extended to higher dimensions by computing the >absolute values of the determinants of the square matrices whose row >vectors are the defining intervals. 12tet is the temperament where octaves are perfect, and both the syntonic comma (-4 4 -1)H and the diesis (0 -1 2)H are zero. In my matrix representation, these conditions can be written: ( 1 0 0) (1 0 0) ( 7 0 -3)H' (0 0 0)H (-4 4 -1) (0 0 0) Where H is the metric of pitch space, and H' is its approximation in 12tet. To get H', you multiply the right hand side of the equation by the inverse of the matrix on the left. This general method works for all ETs that approximate some kind of JI. For the perfect octave case, you only need the left hand column of the inverted matrix and the number of steps in an octave is +/- the determinant of the original matrix. This will also be one dimension of the cross product of the two zeroed intervals. It is also the determinant of the square matrix formed by the zeroed intervals without the octave column, and this will work for any dimension. So, it looks like I was thinking along the same lines as Fokker. Did he come up with any other stuff like this? Is there a book I can read? Graham Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:54 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA30908; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:55:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:55:26 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA30898 Received: (qmail 13822 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1997 17:54:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jul 1997 17:54:07 -0000 Message-Id: Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu