source file: mills2.txt Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:00:31 +0200 Subject: Re: Historical temperaments From: alves@orion.ac.hmc.edu (Bill Alves) Gary Morrison wrote: >'' But Mozart wrote lots of piano music, and even by that early a time >pianos were mostly 12TET, right?'' Daniel Wolf responded: >Broadwood claimed - and this must be taken as hyperbole - that 12TET was >standard practice only in 1811. At that time Mozart had been dead almost >twenty years. The most generally accepted date for 12tet as common practi>ce >for piano tuning is about 1844. But Gary's point is well taken, even if Mozart wasn't using equal temperament. It's one thing to point out the lack of chromaticism Mozart's music with winds and perhaps organ, and quite another to extrapolate that conservatism into a tuning preference on the piano. The use of unvalved brass in the lower harmonics will naturally restrict key choices, for example, your interesting data on occassional stopped horn pitches notwithstanding. If this supposed prevalance of meantone tuning is to be applied to the piano, then how are we to account for Mozart's occassional, but no less significant, excursions into chromaticism in solo piano works, such as the famous C minor fantasy? There are other possibilities besides equal temperament, including the various well temperaments and circulating temperaments, but I can't see how such a piece could work in meantone, if that's what you're proposing. Now, I think it's possible that meantone continued to be used by some tuners all the way into the 20th century. It's easy to tune, and most music played by amateurs and provincial churches did not demand the use of many keys and chromaticism. But I think it's equally likely that professionals used a variety of circulating and well temperaments as well as equal temperament at the same time. It would be interesting to know when piano tuning became a profession separate from that of the instrument builder and musician like it is today. It's easy to imagine that the institutionalization of the occupation could help lead to a standardization of equal temperament. Brian McLaren and Lou Harrison have blamed this standardization on the industrialization of piano manufacturing, but, while it's possible that would explain the factory tuning, I don't see why it would explain why it was tuned that way thereafter. Bill ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ Bill Alves email: alves@hmc.edu ^ ^ Harvey Mudd College URL: http://www2.hmc.edu/~alves/ ^ ^ 301 E. Twelfth St. (909)607-4170 (office) ^ ^ Claremont CA 91711 USA (909)607-7600 (fax) ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 21:08 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA10876; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 21:08:33 +0200 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 21:08:33 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA10900 Received: (qmail 19585 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1997 19:08:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jul 1997 19:08:19 -0000 Message-Id: <199707111504_MC2-1AB3-33BC@compuserve.com> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu