source file: mills3.txt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:24:59 +0200 Subject: RE: sruti details From: Manuel.Op.de.Coul@ezh.nl Graham Breed wrote: >> The sixth sruti is 6/5 (or seventh if you start counting at 1) but in >> this case it would be 1 7 1 4 1 7 1 for just minor thirds (ignoring >> schismas). > Is this a criticism or elaboration of my statement? The 6 diaschismic > steps are r p s p r p. s+r+2p is always a major tone. A diatonic > semitone is s+p, which is the diaschismic equivalent of r+p. The > schismic version is r+2p, hence the discrepancy. I wanted to stress that when one says that a certain number of srutis is some interval, the interval meant is the one that many positions away from Sa. Not as criticism because you realize that, but I disagree with you making diaschismic equivalents. Six sruti steps is not always a minor third. The six steps in Raga Bhairav there is a diaschisma smaller than 6/5 as you imply. Bill Alves wrote: > I would be very interested in your source for these experiments, if you > have it handy. Day, C.R. _The music and musical instruments of Southern India and the Deccan_. Novello, Ewer and Co., and Adams and Charles Black, London, 1891. Reprint, Low Price Publications, Delhi, 1990, 181 pages. Deva, B.C. _The music of India: A scientific study_. Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers Pvt. Ltd., New Delhi, 1981, 278 pages. > If the tuning of the srutis is controversial, then how can > the experimenters have "theoretical values" to check recordings against? You are right, but maybe not everybody agrees that it's controversial :-). > interpretation #1 interpretation #2 > (Bhatkande) (Levy) > 1/1 1/1 > 27/25 27/25 > 9/8 9/8 > 6/5 6/5 > 54/43 72/57 > 4/3 4/3 > 162/113 36/25 > 3/2 3/2 > 18/11 18/11 > 27/16 12/7 > 9/5 9/5 > 81/43 36/19 > 2/1 2/1 Interesting, what stands out is the 18/11 neutral sixth. It also occurs in the old indian chromatic scale given by Ellis, in Helmholtz, p. 517. > Like some of our correspondents, Fox-Strangeways considered Bharata's 4 Typo: Fox-Strangways. Manuel Op de Coul coul@ezh.nl SMTPOriginator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu From: Paul-Hahn@library.wustl.edu Subject: Re: Microtuning Instruments PostedDate: 12-09-97 07:26:55 SendTo: CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH ReplyTo: tuning@eartha.mills.edu $UpdatedBy: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH,CN=Manuel op de Coul/OU=AT/O=EZH RouteServers: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=notesrv1/OU=Server/O=EZH RouteTimes: 12-09-97 07:26:51-12-09-97 07:26:52,12-09-97 07:26:14-12-09-97 07:26:14 DeliveredDate: 12-09-97 07:26:14 Categories: $Revisions: Received: from ns.ezh.nl by notesrv2.ezh.nl (Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) with SMTP id C1256510.001DEAC8; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:26:46 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA26674; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:26:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:26:55 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA26775 Received: (qmail 12945 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1997 05:25:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Sep 1997 05:25:54 -0000 Message-Id: Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu