source file: mills3.txt Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:53:56 +0200 Subject: Re: What Is Microtonal Music? From: DFinnamore@aol.com Jon Szanto writes: > Sooooooooooooooooooooo: what is microtonal music? Maybe it's all been about > chasing our tail, and could have easily been boiled down to "non-12TET > musics". I just don't think *everything* is microtonal. It has to be more > than a casual happenstance, at least on some level. If I may jump in here, I'd like to postulate that it's all relative. I'm generally an non-relativistic kinda guy, at least philosophically. You've seen that demonstrated by my JI fascism. ;-) But here, I think it really is a matter of perspective. Hypothetically, how would my European 11th-century forbears hear a 12-tET piece? Would the pitch relationships sound extraordinary to them? I bet they would. Probably downright out-of-tune. How about people who grow up with 7-tET or Pelog; do they hear their own culture's tuning as microtonal? I do. But I bet they don't. On the other hand, when I hear Candlebox (rock band), I hear the guitars as 12-tET and thus non-microtonal, but the lead singer, who is intentionally all over the place pitch-wise (for emotive purposes) as clearly, deliciously microtonal, both by comparison with his accompaniment and with my ears' expectations. It seems logical in a sense, but still a bit restrictive to me, to limit the term to intervals smaller than a particular size. That doesn't seem to make for a very musically-useful definition since lots of music uses larger intervals that are none-the-less different from what some might expect by small-but-significant amounts. E.g., 7/6 might be used with intervals that are all more than 50 cents away from it, but it is less than 50 cents away from what many ears expect of a "minor third." So microtonal music may be, to a given listener, any music whose compositional/performance model includes pitch relationships that the listener finds to be beyond his own range of perceived normalcy. I say "compositional/performance model" to exclude performed pitches that miss the performer's intended mark. How's 'at? Well, what happens when I get used to, say, 13-limit JI to the point that it sounds normal to me? Or what if I got used to a tuning that contained intervals smaller than 50 cents? O. K., I still know that most of my audience will hear it as microtonal. It's the listener, not the composer, who defines microtonality. David J. Finnamore SMTPOriginator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu From: DFinnamore@aol.com Subject: Re: Morpheus and microtonal PostedDate: 08-10-97 18:55:07 SendTo: CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH ReplyTo: tuning@eartha.mills.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH,CN=Manuel op de Coul/OU=AT/O=EZH RouteServers: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=notesrv1/OU=Server/O=EZH RouteTimes: 08-10-97 18:54:40-08-10-97 18:54:40,08-10-97 17:53:12-08-10-97 17:53:12 DeliveredDate: 08-10-97 17:53:12 Categories: $Revisions: Received: from ns.ezh.nl ([137.174.112.59]) by notesrv2.ezh.nl (Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) with SMTP id C125652A.005CE0ED; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:54:28 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA11354; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:55:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:55:07 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA11363 Received: (qmail 10221 invoked from network); 8 Oct 1997 09:54:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Oct 1997 09:54:19 -0700 Message-Id: <971008124627_1265823590@emout01.mail.aol.com> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu