source file: mills3.txt Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:27:37 +0100 Subject: Re: TUNING digest 1278 From: John Starrett Hi Folks- Best of the season to you all! >I took a look at the Denver microtone page recently. Nice site! >But as I was running through the list of microtone "pioneers" I didn't >find Haba listed. I assume Steve was speaking of my page www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html I am not familiar with Haba, and all the categories on that page are incomplete either due to ignorance or sloth (both in this case). I welcome any suggestions for additions, improvements or corrections. I have been told by a number of people that my page is a useful resource, so I hope the knowledgeable folks on this list will write to me jstarret@math.cudenver.edu if they have any suggestions to improve it. Apologies go out to Paul Erlich, whose article I have still not got around to formatting properly. Gregg Gibson said: >those who choose to wage the war to make 7:4 consonant I advise to do >some reading, thinking, and listening; even if they manage the feat, they >will find themselves involved in the thankless task of attempting to erect a >system of tonal relations outside the senario, and based on very weak >consonance at best I say, what does reading have to do with it? I laughed out loud. 7/4 is a marvelous consonnance! Gregg, listen to some motorized machinery or other musical source where the harmonic series is plainly heard, then try to cast out that 7/4. And furthermore-- >The 19-tone equal temperament is the only closed, fully cyclic system >toward which just intonation, in its practically audible aspect, tends; >it is therefore the only correct system. To which I respond: The 12-tone equal temperament is the only closed, fully cyclic system toward which just intonation, in its practically audible aspect, tends; it is therefore the only correct system. And, by the way >Having now given sufficient information to, at the least, propel the >open-minded to a close examination of the 19-tone equal temperament, >having also perhaps discouraged a few frivolous triflers from disgracing >the 19-tone equal temperament by any use of it, I have examined 19tet, and found that every interval but the octave is dissonant, with furious beating and bleating, and yet you seek to stretch the octave, ruining the only consonance the tuning has to offer. Gregg, my jesting is all in good humor, but I can back up my assertions by the same methods you use to back up yours. I know you have some valid points, but it seems your mind is made up about every one of your conclusions. This sometimes happens when a person works in isolation, or when one's immediate peers have little or no knowledge of the subject in which one is expert. You seem to be well read, and you have a nice formal writing style, albeit a little confrontatory. I urge you not to ruin your professional life by treating your peers like a confederacy of dunces. John Starrett SMTPOriginator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu From: John Chalmers Subject: Greek tetrachords in 19 PostedDate: 24-12-97 23:24:26 SendTo: CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH ReplyTo: tuning@eartha.mills.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH,CN=Manuel op de Coul/OU=AT/O=EZH RouteServers: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=notesrv1/OU=Server/O=EZH RouteTimes: 24-12-97 23:22:10-24-12-97 23:22:11,24-12-97 23:21:40-24-12-97 23:21:41 DeliveredDate: 24-12-97 23:21:41 Categories: $Revisions: Received: from ns.ezh.nl ([137.174.112.59]) by notesrv2.ezh.nl (Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) with SMTP id C1256577.007ADFF1; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:24:03 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA25341; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:24:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:24:26 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA25268 Received: (qmail 2726 invoked from network); 24 Dec 1997 14:24:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Dec 1997 14:24:23 -0800 Message-Id: Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu