source file: mills3.txt Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:14:33 +0100 Subject: RE: Small mistake, Quantum take From: "Paul H. Erlich" >}Einstein's reality principle? > >This is discussed in the literature related to the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen >paradox. Not appropriate for this list. > >}>and your classical way of viewing things is only >}>valid at the macroscopic level, where it emerges as an approximation. > >}Give me a break! Everything is an approximation -- Quantum Mechanics too. >}One that doesn't, by the way, provide many corrections on the macroscopic >}level, where the "classical way" is so dreadfully approximate. > >Whether or not quantum theory is 100% accurate, there are certain features of >it, which are very well verified experimentally, which force us to give up >our classical notions of the world. A good book on this is _Philosophical >Consequences of Quantum Mechanics_, a collection of articles.by Mermin, Fine, >and many others. > >}True. But this doesn't take away from the fact that there is one line of >}notes heard, without a doubt, as "the" melody, being backup up with chords. >}Go get the 1974 YES album, "Relayer", and listen to the second track from >}time index 5.30 to 6.15 for an excellent example of melody and harmony >}coming from different pitch sets. > >Wow, another Yes fan! My Yes collection is on CD only through 1973, the rest >is on tape. I'll find a stopwatch and try to figure out which part you mean. > >}This concept is very important in Barbershop, which is, by definition, >}melody being backed up with chords. The melody is usually sung in something >}roughly close to 12-tone Pythagorean (3-limit), while the notes used for the >}chords fit almost exactly in the 7-limit. > >I see Barbershop more as an extended diatonic style where the small amounts >of "bending" required to get from Pythagorean to 7-limit JI harmonies are too >small to constitute a perceptually distinct pitch set (it's Gregg's melodic >limen idea again, but we're talking differences no larger than a septimal >comma, or 27 cents, here, which carefully performed can pass unnoticed in >melody). SMTPOriginator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu From: Joseph Downing Subject: Re: vertical/horizontal/motherlode PostedDate: 03-01-98 01:04:47 SendTo: CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH ReplyTo: tuning@eartha.mills.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH,CN=Manuel op de Coul/OU=AT/O=EZH RouteServers: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=notesrv1/OU=Server/O=EZH RouteTimes: 03-01-98 01:14:31-03-01-98 01:14:32,03-01-98 01:13:52-03-01-98 01:13:53 DeliveredDate: 03-01-98 01:13:53 Categories: $Revisions: Received: from ns.ezh.nl ([137.174.112.59]) by notesrv2.ezh.nl (Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) with SMTP id C1256581.0002C01A; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:16:23 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA26795; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:04:47 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:04:47 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA26812 Received: (qmail 13759 invoked from network); 2 Jan 1998 16:04:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jan 1998 16:04:43 -0800 Message-Id: Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu