source file: mills3.txt Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:57:37 +0100 Subject: my comments on Barbershop From: "Paul H. Erlich" >I wrote, > >>>I see Barbershop more as an extended diatonic style where the small >amounts of >>"bending" required to get from Pythagorean to 7-limit JI >harmonies are too >>small to constitute a perceptually distinct pitch set >(it's Gregg's melodic >>limen idea again, but we're talking differences no >larger than a septimal >>comma, or 27 cents, here, which carefully >performed can pass unnoticed in >>>melody). > >Carl replied in e-mail > >> >>Barbershopers sing exact 7-limit pitches, and lots of 'em. Are you saying >that >the 7-limit doesn't really constitute enough difference from the >'diatonic >style' to grant it its own pitch set? > >and later Carl wrote > >}...In retrospect, I think I see where you're coming from. You're interested >}in a new scale, and the non-diatonic music that can be made with it. >}Barbershop is diatonic music with 7-limit harmony stuck on. You want to see >}the resources of a new 7-limit scale used for both melody and harmony, just >}like the diatonic scale was so successfully used in classical music. This >}is a cool goal. > >The 7-limit harmony in barbershop is not merely "stuck on" to the diatonic >scale; it consists of dominant seventh chords which are diatonic in function >and origin, and the 27-cent adjustments required to achieve JI are not large >enough to disturb the essential diatonicity of the music. > >As for the pitch sets being different for melody and harmony, don't tell me >that the sevenths of these dominant seventh chords never occur in the melody! SMTPOriginator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu From: "Paul H. Erlich" Subject: RE: What do you play? PostedDate: 06-01-98 21:18:28 SendTo: CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH ReplyTo: tuning@eartha.mills.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH,CN=Manuel op de Coul/OU=AT/O=EZH RouteServers: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=notesrv1/OU=Server/O=EZH RouteTimes: 06-01-98 21:18:07-06-01-98 21:18:08,06-01-98 21:18:04-06-01-98 21:18:04 DeliveredDate: 06-01-98 21:18:04 Categories: $Revisions: Received: from ns.ezh.nl ([137.174.112.59]) by notesrv2.ezh.nl (Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) with SMTP id C1256584.006F8209; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:17:57 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA07781; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:18:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:18:28 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA11112 Received: (qmail 2961 invoked from network); 6 Jan 1998 12:18:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 1998 12:18:25 -0800 Message-Id: Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu