source file: m1398.txt Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:08:04 -0400 Subject: Re: JI Tuning Resolution From: wauchope@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil David First wrote: > Ultimately, you have to use your ears. If you hear beating/phasing > between a given pair of frequencies, then something's off. My approach is that if you can hear a beat of about 0.5 Hz, then you can in fact hear the underlying pure interval which is doing the phase shifting, so the harmonic objective has not been compromised. Indeed, synth players sometimes intentionally detune a pair of oscillators so they'd slowly phase shift and create a "fat" sound that is richer and less boring than a single oscillator. Beating faster than 0.5 Hz becomes less desirable, however, and beyond vibrato rates begins introducing actual dissonance. Some time back I did some audio experiments to determine the extent to which I could actually discriminate beating in just intervals. Listening to rather loud synthesized sawtooth waves through headphones at about 440Hz, I found that the limit of my discrimination was at the 19 limit -- for example I could manage to tune a 19/13 by eliminating beats, but not a 21/13. So to my ear, a 21/13 a few tenths of a cent sharp or flat makes no distinguishable difference in terms of consonance, but does (just barely) for a 19/13. Figuring that the 19th partial of A440 will beat at 0.5 Hz if detuned by 0.1 cent, that becomes my desired accuracy for the goal of avoiding audible dissonance in a conventional pitch range. I can imagine musics that would want precision beyond that for particular effects such as very sustained chords with rock-solid lack of phase shifting, but that's another issue than dissonance. Ken Wauchope