source file: m1399.txt Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:54:18 -0400 Subject: RE: JI Tuning Resolution From: "Paul H. Erlich" Here's something I posted on New Year's Eve. The people advocating really exact JI really need to think about this: For an interval in perfect just intontation, whatever phase difference was present at the beginning of the sound would persist for the duration of the sound. Let's say two instruments are producing tones, both of which have an equally loud partial at 1000Hz. For someone standing in a particular location with respect to the two instruments, there is some delay time between the beginning times of the two instruments for which the 1000Hz components will interefere constructively, resulting in four times the energy at that frequency than what one instrument alone would produce. For a delay time just 1/2000 of a second longer, you get destructive interference, or no energy at that frequency. Obviously no human instrumentalist can control their onset time to within 1/2000 of a second relative to the onset time of another instrument. So you end up with a random number between zero and four to describe the energy of the 1000Hz component -- probably not the musical effect you were looking for. Even an individual performer playing both instruments can't do it -- try tuning two synth keys to the same note and notice how repeatedly playing both keys "simultaneously" leads to random fluctuations in the loudness. Now if the onset times are controlled really accurately by MIDI, and let's say a 90-degree phase shift is chosen so that the energy at 1000Hz is twice that from one instrument, then you're doing okay, right? But for someone standing in a different location in the room, though, the differece in the path lengths from the two instruments, and thus the phase, will be different. There are nodes of destructive interference and antinodes of constructive interference in the room no matter what the original phase shift was. So some members of the audience may be receiving no energy at 1000Hz, while others may be receiving four times what they would from one instrument. Again, probably not the effect you were looking for. If both instruments are electronic, and their signals are mixed into one speaker, there will be no spatial nodes or antinodes. So finally you can control the musical effect. But other than monophonic electronic MIDI-sequenced music, perfect JI can lead to big problems. In the real world, thankfully, acoustic instruments are slightly out-of-tune with each other, so that whatever the onset delay and whatever the position in the room, one gets a signal that frequencies common to both tones have an average energy twice that of one instrument. There will not be noticeable, let alone startling, differences in the musical effect depending on minute variations in the onset delay or position in the room. >