source file: m1412.txt Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:42:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: 8 major triads possible with 12 pitches? From: Paul Hahn On Fri, 8 May 1998, Paul H. Erlich wrote: > Paul Hahn wrote, > > 25/18 25/24 25/16 > > > 10/9 5/3 5/4 15/8 > > > 16/9 4/3 1/1 3/2 9/8 > > [ . . . ] this may be the most just major triads > one can achieve with 12 notes. Anyone care to prove this, or find a > counterexample? Well, I can prove it, but it's not particularly elegant. The rough outlines of the proof go like this: eight just major triads have eight 1/1s, eight 3/2s, and eight 5/4s, or 24 members in all. To get this out of fewer actual pitches many pitches must serve as different members of multiple triads. No pitch can be a member of more than three different major triads, and if you examine the geometry of scales in the triangular lattice there must be at least three pitches in a scale that each are members of only a single triad. That leaves at most 9 pitches to function as the other 21 members. This requires at least three pitches to serve triple duty (21 = 3 * 3 + 2 * 6), but the most economical way (pitch-wise) to do that is this: . . . * . . * * . . . . and that already uses up your twelve pitches and still only gets you seven major triads. Q.E.D. --pH http://library.wustl.edu/~manynote O /\ "Churchill? Can he run a hundred balls?" -\-\-- o NOTE: dehyphenate node to remove spamblock. <*>