source file: m1418.txt Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:58:47 -0400 Subject: ET for melodies/ JI for harmonies From: monz@juno.com (Joseph L Monzo) [Me:] >> I'll grant that equal temperaments are easy to hear in >> melodic terms [Carl Lumma:] > Whoa! Wait a minute? Where did this come from? [Paul Erlich:] > I don't know where it came from, but it's true. Even Mathieu > admits that a 12-tone chromatic scale is melodically smoother > in 12tET than in an unequal tuning. It came from Ben Johnston, "Scalar Order as a Compositional Resource", published in _Perspectives of New Music_, vol 2 # 2, Spring-Summer 1964, p. 59: [Johnston:] "...Octaves are then divided by a scale of smaller intervals. The two conflicting criteria which condition this are simplicity and symmetry: that is, a preference for simplicity or consonance of harmonic pitch ratios, and a preference for dividing melodic intervals symmetrically, into "equal" smaller intervals. "Melodically, the pitch dimension is a linear succession of octaves, each internally subdivided into smaller intervals which we speak of adding and subtracting. But this view of pitch offers no explanation of the common harmonic experience of a gradual scale of consonance and dissonance. Listening harmonically to pitch intervals we are actually comparing tempos of vibration... "Harmonic listening is too easy and too basic to be ignored, even in purely melodic music. Yet melodic preference for equal scale intervals is also strong. If a scale is derived harmonically, it must consist of intervals whose melodic sizes differ by what seems a negligible amount. What seems negligible depends mostly upon relative sizes but also upon cultural conditioning and upon "how good an ear" an individual listener has." [end quote] Johnston then proceeds to demonstrate how he derived a 53-pitch-class 5-limit JI source scale with an approximately equal division of the octave. Compare the following: Interval Prime factors Ratio Cents -------- ------------- ----- ----- Syntonic Comma 3^4 * 5^-1 81/80 21.5 53-eq "step" size 2^(1/53) n/a 22.6 Pythagorean Comma 3^12 531441/524288 23.5 The fact that the 53-eq step size is almost exactly midway between the two commas means that 53-eq is good at approximating all the notes in a 5-limit system (that is, ratios with factors of 3 and 5), or, conversely in Johnston's case, that a 53-tone 5-limit system that divides the octave as evenly as possible will approximate 53-eq very closely. This article is a very lucid exposition of the matter stated in the title. Johnston describes S. S. Stevens's "four kinds of scales of measurement: nominal, ordinal, interval, and ratio". He gives examples of musical use of the four as follows: nominal formal analysis (ABA, ABACABA, etc.) ordinal dynamics (pp, p, mp, mf, f, ff) interval melodic use of pitch (i.e. ET) ratios harmonic use of pitch & tuning by ear Johnston's writings get very little citation -- they're well worth reading. Joseph L. Monzo monz@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]