source file: m1421.txt Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:54:04 -0400 Subject: Lattices From: monz@juno.com (Joseph L Monzo) Here's a messge I sent privately to Graham Breed (newly edited somewhat). Since we're ironing out the history of using lattice diagrams, I thought I'd make it public. -------------------------------------------------------------------- When I first designed a lattice graph to represent pitches back around 1988, I used exactly the same triangular format used by you and Erlich, with 5/4 above and to the right of 1/1, and 6/5 below and to the right. It was something that I came up with by playing around with Partch's Tonality Diamond scheme. I was shocked to find out that diagrams exactly like this appeared in a book called "A Graphic Introduction to the Harmon" by Esther Watson Tipple & Royal Merrill Frye, and published back in 1942! I just read Mandelbaum's (unpublished) book for the first time, and have found out that Fokker used diagrams very much like mine. In fact, Riemann's harmonic ideas [c. 1890] are based on a 3^x * 5^y lattice structure. Over the past four years, doing research for my book, I've seen almost all of the various visual pitch representations that I thought I invented, in books that were written as far back as 1600! So Gregg Gibson [TD 1278] certainly had a point about how we moderns think we're doing something new that's already been done countless times before. But of course, technology has given us many new capabilities, and we can adapt these old ideas to new technologies. I think the 3-dimensional ladder-type lattices I use (see some of my recent postings) are the best way to represent JI systems of more than 3 prime factors. Joseph L. Monzo monz@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]