source file: m1430.txt Date: Thu, 28 May 98 18:21 BST-1 Subject: 9-limit lattices From: gbreed@cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Breed) On which Paul Hahn writes: > The tetrad on the left would be the 3D layer "below" the middle one in > 4D space, and the one on the right the layer "above". All primary > 9-limit intervals could then be seen as being one step away from the > origin. If, as I said, we were 5-dimensional beings who could use > 4-dimensional paper. I've been reviewing saturated chords for my website. Although Paul Erlich used these as an argument for giving 9 a separate direction, the opposite seems to be the case to me. Take the simplest example, 3:5:9:15 which looks like this: 5--15 \ / \ 3---9 And you can see that all the intervals in there are also in the 9-limit otonality: 5 / \ / 7 \ 1-----3-----9 Also that it's an Euler genus with the corners lopped off: 5--15-(45) / \ / \ / (1)--3---9 As there are no 7s, we can use a tetrahedral lattice with 9 at the apex. The chords then become: 5 5----15 / \ \ / / 9 \ 9 \ / 1-----3 3 Which doesn't look as clear to me. The reason is that these anomalous suspensions work because of the compositeness of 9. A lattice that treats 9 as prime can't show that. I can understand why 9 is a separate axis in Erv Wilson's diagrams. The way the scales are generated, there's no confusion. For general lattices, though, why? If you want the otonality to look like a primary unit, how about a double linkage? 5 / \ / 7 \ 1=====3-----9 I genuinely don't understand why even 5-dimensional beings would want to give 9 its own direction. Now, a curved structure in 5-dimensional space, that might work... BTW, Paul Hahn's 9-limit construction is analogous to the way I'm thinking about the 11-limit at the moment.