source file: m1468.txt Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:13:59 -0400 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?A_=28roughly=29_24=D0per=D0octave_eight=D0fifth?= From: "Paul H. Erlich" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDA9D3.0620A23C Content-Type: text/plain Dave Hill- You message was difficult to read due to some ASCII-like codes, but I think I get the idea. Your scheme is similar, if not identical, to Helmholtz's 24-tone schismatic temperament. Does anyone have that one handy for comparison? Also similar is the 22-tone sruti system of India, which can be described as a series of fifths, the 5th and 17th fifths optionally altered by a schisma, to yield the eight-fifths-down major thirds. Let me ask you this, though -- did you find meantone harmonies insufficiently pure? A 24-note meantone tuning would be able support a larger repertoire than the schismatic temperament you describe. Also, the tuning I mentioned in one of my first post to the list, two copies of 12-tET separated by 15 cents, would yield purity comparable to that of the pure-fifths version of your scheme, but, allowing for (fairly imperceptible) 15-cent melodic shifts, would permit unlimited modulatory freedom within the 5-limit. Personally, I'd get two of your 24-tone pianos, put one in a 24-note meantone tuning and the other in 22-tET (check out my tape swap tune for the kinds of sounds I'd get out of that one). -Paul Erlich ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDA9D3.0620A23C Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgUSAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQWAAwAOAAAAzgcHAAcADgANADsAAgA7AQEggAMADgAAAM4HBwAH AA4ADgAEAAIABQEBCYABACEAAAAzNTg4MzdDRUYwMTREMjExQUNEMjAwODA1RkJFM0MwNQAcBwEE gAEAOQAAAEEgKHJvdWdobHkpIDI00HBlctBvY3RhdmUgZWlnaHTQZmlmdGhz0GRvd24gcGlhbm8g ZGVzaWduAIkWAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEDkAYAEAkAAC4AAAADADYAAAAAAAMABIAIIAYAAAAAAMAA AAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAAC3DQAAHgAFgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAEAAAAOC4w AAMABoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAACwAAgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA A4UAAAAAAAALAA+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAEIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAA AABGAAAAABCFAAAAAAAAAwARgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAADABSACCAGAAAA AADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAAAB4AJIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAA AAAAAAAeACWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgAmgAggBgAAAAAA wAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAAIBCRABAAAA4AMAANwDAABGBQAATFpGdUaAlLQD AAoAcmNwZzEyNdIyAPszNgHoIAKkA+MJAgBjaArAc2V0MDYgBxMCgH0KgAjIIDubCW8OMDUCgAqB dWMAUC0LA2MAQQtgbg4QMDMCMwumIERhdmUgckgDEGwtCqIKhAqAWUUIYCAHgXNhZxZgdyphBCBk BpBmDeB1bJEFQHRvIAlwYWQYgBsKUBkicwNwFmBBU0PASUktbGlrFmAFoEEBAHMsIGJ1BUBJdRkg aAuAaxvBGCAZEWjFFmBpAQBhLiAXkQXA/wTwHMAaQQQAGhAHcAMQCsDjG3AGkCBubwVAHPECMA8N 4AdAG3AZMUhlbG0iaAbwdHonBCAyNPotGTBuFmAdoQQAAMAfgesZIB3QcASQYQeAAjAdMOxEbweR AHB5ISIQ4BZRCxvwIcAgI2RuZHkgfwIQBcAFoCIwCsAEAAIgPz0RUGwaIB42HgIcsjIylSEFchug aRoQeXMiEbskMB7gSSSgBzAbcHccAPcQ0BsQA5FiFmAbQQUBKbD7GZAYYWEaEAZxB5EocRjA7QGA aBthHLI1G/AjIRmQvDE3LEErdCQwBTBpAiD9B0BsJMAHQCIQCXEbgC4BayFWH9N5CJBsGZAcsmUg aWdodC0rdC1k7G93A6AAwGoFsRvxCyD0cy4W2kwcgRpBGGAcMD8jUBewG/ErwwhgMHAgLf4tGIEZ kDOyGMAsgQeAAHA/IRMQ4QRgAwAHkQuAc3WvGLIIkAIwLfFwCHBlJcHPINIfARZgNcd0dQMAFUBf GEAIYC/hKbEBoGwhQXX8cHAJESqhHoEYIAXACXD/IkEZMDHwI9MDoByyIW8ic/8zoynmHTAl4ivU OXUb0CKC3y2hKlELgCQzKHFtJMEx8PsoIDfQb0IxGTEcshrQKCB3H9E54BsRcCsFDiAhAEWeVCrB CrEhwC50MTUbEJ8fYRthOeQvtDfhaXQkwP8lJDpzQrMkEh7gHLI34jCl/iAWUBEALaEoYjOxHYYb c58bcC3RMTA5oiTiKGYLcH5yLfEHcCJBRdAtgTqBKX1FkS1F0hfBCQAYkCHwc/8cAAGARhciQR5g BUA5gBrQ/0/xKlEEYRjwIcAFsCTBCdH/MSAoUAPwG/Ir5BrBT/EdMM5QSeEttBtwSScZkBxz/0OR SlYg5kPgAHBCcBtwN+D/JCRBMSqwOG85dSxyHLIfEF8cwCaRA6AnIkShKB2xY/8cMAhgMyEkwAGQ IkAaEBhQ3nA5YhZgJOIcsms1gSsjfxogOYBckVQGWoJIoyQUKZEyOy1QYRjwIEVMsF8pMRTRAUAW 4xHRAGFQAwAmAAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAsAAgABAAAAHgBwAAEAAAATAAAAVFVOSU5HIGRpZ2VzdCAx NDY3AAACAXEAAQAAABsAAAABvamxVZrON4KWFPAR0qzSAIBfvjwFAAcs0LAAQAA5APCCXAPTqb0B AwDxPwkEAAAeADFAAQAAAAYAAABQQVVMRQAAAAMAGkAAAAAAHgAwQAEAAAAGAAAAUEFVTEUAAAAD ABlAAAAAAAMA/T/kBAAAAwCAEP////8CAUcAAQAAADQAAABjPVVTO2E9IDtwPUFjYWRpYW4tQXNz ZXQ7bD1NQVJTLTk4MDcwNzE4MTM1OVotMTQxMjAAAgH5PwEAAABLAAAAAAAAANynQMjAQhAatLkI ACsv4YIBAAAAAAAAAC9PPUFDQURJQU4tQVNTRVQvT1U9QUFNL0NOPVJFQ0lQSUVOVFMvQ049UEFV TEUAAB4A+D8BAAAADwAAAFBhdWwgSC4gRXJsaWNoAAAeADhAAQAAAAYAAABQQVVMRQAAAAIB+z8B AAAASwAAAAAAAADcp0DIwEIQGrS5CAArL+GCAQAAAAAAAAAvTz1BQ0FESUFOLUFTU0VUL09VPUFB TS9DTj1SRUNJUElFTlRTL0NOPVBBVUxFAAAeAPo/AQAAAA8AAABQYXVsIEguIEVybGljaAAAHgA5 QAEAAAAGAAAAUEFVTEUAAABAAAcwouPB4dGpvQFAAAgwPKIgBtOpvQEeAD0AAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAA HgAdDgEAAAA5AAAAQSAocm91Z2hseSkgMjTQcGVy0G9jdGF2ZSBlaWdodNBmaWZ0aHPQZG93biBw aWFubyBkZXNpZ24AAAAAHgA1EAEAAAAuAAAAPEJFMUJGRDA3MzlEOEQxMTFBQ0M4MDA4MDVGQkUz QzA1MTQ5NjExQE1BUlM+AAAACwApAAAAAAALACMAAAAAAAMABhBeA6jgAwAHELgDAAADABAQAAAA AAMAERAAAAAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAAREFWRUhJTEwtWU9VTUVTU0FHRVdBU0RJRkZJQ1VMVFRPUkVB RERVRVRPU09NRUFTQ0lJLUxJS0VDT0RFUyxCVVRJVEhJTktJR0VUVEhFSURFQVlPVVJTQ0hFTUVJ U1NJTUlMQQAAAAACAX8AAQAAAC4AAAA8QkUxQkZEMDczOUQ4RDExMUFDQzgwMDgwNUZCRTNDMDUx NDk2MTFATUFSUz4AAABwIA== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDA9D3.0620A23C--