source file: m1585.txt Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:31:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TUNING digest 1584 From: Stephen Soderberg A follow-up to my previous, too -brief post asking "Why triads?" It wasn't meant to be testy, but on re-reading it came off that way to me -- so my apologies... and some explanation. Paul Erlich describes a couple of very interesting systems. Let me talk about the max-even 22@41. If we call this a first order max-even structure and, forgetting about triads, follow the hint provided by the usual diatonic that the basic (triadic) harmonic units are second order max-even (3@7@12), then we might play around with second order max even structures within 22@41. One interesting system is formed by 5@22@41 which would take 22@41's interval string <2222221222222122222221> and form pentachords by superimposing the string <44545> on it (this is analogous to superimposing <223> on <2212221> to get the usual diatonic triads). You can work it out yourself, but what you get is five basic pentachord types: A <87t79> (t=10) A' <7897t> B <87989> B' <78989> C <77t7t> where the prime indicates a rotated inversion of its original. What we have then is two inversionally related pairs of basic pentachords (5 each) and two penachords that seem to suggest a "diminished triad" function. If you then draw a circle with 22 marks on it to represent the 22@41 scale, the order of the chords built on successive scale-degrees around the circle is: A B B B' B' A' C A A B B' B' A' A' A A B B B' A' A' C To see the compositionally suggestive pattern this creates, draw lines across the circle to connect identical chord types. There's MUCH more in this system, but this should suffice to explain why I asked "Why triads?" (Next week: "JI is a red herring") Steve Soderberg