Bounce Metronome => General => Topic started by: Rickeyjt on October 31, 2010, 04:40:40 PM

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Title: Conductor Patterns
Post by: Rickeyjt on October 31, 2010, 04:40:40 PM
I know little about conductor patterns except for some recent googling on the subject.  One thing I notice is all your conductor strokes tied to each beat are a visual downstroke on the plane of the horizontal base.  Some patterns I have seen used also can put a downbeat at the top of the upstroke.  I do not know what is 'correct' or more common.  Perhaps an option to create them that way?  Your comments . . . ( ( ( ( (

Title: Re: Conductor Patterns
Post by: Robert Walker on October 31, 2010, 06:57:02 PM
The actual patterns I use are from Brock McElheran's Conducting Technique.

If you look at e.g. the Wikipedia patterns, which are fairly similar:

the dots on the diagram show when the actual beat happens. So the downbeat in that diagram is actually at the bottom of the upstroke not the top of it - the dot with the 1 next to it.

Although the conductor raises the baton high just before the downbeat, as I understand it the actual moment of the downbeat is at the bottom of the stroke not the top of it. Though - conductors conduct well ahead of the orchestra especially in orchestral music and the downstroke is fast. So you mightn't notice such an enormous difference if you thought the moment was nearer the top.

You get patterns with some of the beats above the horizontal plane, which I could have used. The ones from "Conducting Technique" have all the beats on the horizontal plane -and he makes a point of that as the basis for his system. So - as a widely used book, and one that is easy to program, that's why I chose that method for BM Pro.

So - BM Pro actually follows a fairly similar pattern to those ones in Wikipedia - in the case of the 6/8 then the 6 is positioned midway between the 4 and the 5. In the McEllheran book then the 6 is shown between the 4 and the 5 but much closer to the 4 than the 5, and on the same plane. But - very similar pattern anyway, best approximation I could make to it without complex programming. And - don't do the loop type effects at the bottom of the bounce that you get on some of the patterns - e.g. the loop for the 3 in that pattern and the gentle curves for all the numbers - does it rather as a sharp bounce, just because that's easier to do in software while for hand movements then as there is nothing to bounce the baton on, you are moving it in mid-air, one can understand why a loop type effect is easier.

But in the future I plan to add an option to record a conducting pattern - either use a diagram or mouse, or something - and play it back - which could then let you conduct however you like and then use that pattern from then on for the rhythm you conducted it for.

If anyone here knows more about all this and I have misunderstood anything or want to correct me please step in. I'm no expert I know!

Some of the ideas for the future for the conducting patterns here:
Custom conductor patterns (wish list) (

Title: Re: Conductor Patterns
Post by: Robert Walker on October 31, 2010, 07:31:41 PM
Just closing tabs in my browser, and found your link here as one of the open tabs - it's an example of the conducting patterns with some of the beats above the horizontal plane

The Conducting Beat Patterns (

So, I hope to add options to let users program patterns like this if it's their preference - by recording or tracing patterns or some such as in the wish list.