source file: mills2.txt Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:41:36 -0800 Subject: FW: Subharmonic chords From: PAULE ---------- From: Paul H. Erlich To: tuning Subject: RE: Subharmonic chords Date: Monday, January 20, 1997 1:41PM Daniel wrote, >Do you really hear a just minor triad as being built a Major third above an >absent fundamental? Not usually! Apparantly our many conversations on this topic have led to little true communication. But do you really hear it as originating from the fifth rather than the conventionally considered "root"? >>''The real test, Daniel, is to start with a just minor triad in sine waves, >>and then, without looking at the numbers, and starting far away from the >>target pitch, try to tune a fourth sine wave to the /7 or 17 purely by ear. >>If you can do the former with anywhere near the accuracy with which you can >>do the latter, I'll eat my hat.'' >As the folks here say: Guten appetit! >I tested all of this with my Rayna and a HP sine wave generator. I may be a >biased test subject, however, in that I have really ear trained though >ratios of 17. But this kind of bias is always a problem for me: what do you >really intend by ''prefer''? I didn't say "prefer," I said "tune." So what were your errors in cents? Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:54 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA11986; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:54:24 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA11968 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id MAA08933; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:54:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:54:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199701221551_MC2-FBB-CEC9@compuserve.com> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu