source file: mills2.txt Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:21:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Schenker and tuning From: kollos@cavehill.dnet.co.uk (Jonathan Walker) Daniel Wolf wrote: > Schenker himself wrote precious little that was useful about > intonation and - a contemporary of Schoenberg and Hauer - was active > in a Vienna that was solidly committed to equal temperament (listen to > any recording by Kolisch). All that I've ever noticed of substance on intonation are the comments in Harmony (1906), where Schenker takes a Zarlinoesque approach, filtered through the harmonic series. He says that art must place restrictions on what nature offers, and so only the first six harmonics contribute to tonality -- whatever the vagaries of his explanation, his conception of at least the major scale seems to be firmly 5-limit. He criticises Riemann (as usual) for his utonal-type explanation of the minor -- he seems unconvinced primarily because such an explanation lacks an acoustical basis (this shows, as we might expect, that a purely mathematical explanation is not acceptable to him). He notes that the first minor triad available in the harmonic series is 10:12:15, and that the root is thus not identical with the fundamental. But he never quite settles on an explanation -- thus Daniel's phrase "a clouded major" seems quite fair (the tierce de Picardie also lurks in the shadows). As a further restriction upon natural resources, Schenker then says that art represents this essentially 5-limit system by the simpler 12TET. I'm not at all sure that this move is available to Schenker, but it undoubtedly places him within the decidedly pro-12TET Viennese milieu that Daniel mentions. > What would be very interesting would be to take one of Schenker's > graphic analyses and to construct a tuning for the piece based up > projecting the simplest rational interpretations at each stage of > prolongation and elaboration. I've done some work on this. For example, two works of Beethoven would seem to defeat a 5-limit explanation even of the Background: 1. the funeral march of the Ab Sonata, op.26, which ends up a great diesis away from its tonic (repeating this in the reprise), i.e. (6/5)^4. 2. the song "In questa Tomba oscura", which ends up a lesser diesis away from its tonic, i.e. (5/4)^3 One other point of interest: in connection with the F major Prelude of Chopin's op.28, Schenker tentatively explains the Eb in the final chord as Chopin's "visionary" inclusion of the 7th harmonic (since the chord doesn't function as a dissonance to be resolved). Jonas, in his footnote, enthusiastically reinforces this explanation. -- Jonathan Walker Queen's University Belfast mailto:kollos@cavehill.dnet.co.uk http://www.music.qub.ac.uk/~walker/ Received: from ns.ezh.nl [137.174.112.59] by vbv40.ezh.nl with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:40 +0100 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA05863; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:40:09 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA25844 Received: from by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id IAA24666; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:38:08 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:38:08 -0800 Message-Id: <009B0C4B08C26C60.6048@vbv40.ezh.nl> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@ella.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@ella.mills.edu