source file: mills3.txt Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:00:41 +0200 Subject: Vincentino From: Kami Rousseau Mark's version sounds very pure, it has been "de-xenharmonized"; to me, it sounds too much like 12TET (except for the 81/80? difference between the two A's in the last chords.) The way I see it, there are 3 kinds of music (in this context) : ET music (12TET), then there is "pure" music - which sounds "clean", and then there is "xen" music - which involves a lot of comma shifts and unconventional intervals. Sure, pianos tuned to a JI tuning or a well temperament sound better, they are very close (too close?) to ET. As Brian McLaren would say, "Why go to Baskin Robbins to eat vanilla ice cream?" Pure music *does* make a difference, but I am looking for some "harder" stuff, like 7-limit, maybe 11 or 13, definitly 17 and 19, even 21 (seventh of the dominant.) Can I train myself to "appreciate" harmonic intervals up to 31, to "complete the octave"? I don't "get" 13 yet. My theories are based on ET approximations (octave or non-octave) of JI. Re : "my" version of the madonna chord change I like the sharp F# and F in Manuel's "original" version, but the 2 different A's in Mark version disturb me a little bit. I would tend to keep the same A, perhaps even with the involved "cost" of detuning the other notes (wandering tonic sort of stuff) What do you think? SMTPOriginator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu From: Carl Lumma Subject: Training? PostedDate: 20-10-97 16:12:46 SendTo: CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH ReplyTo: tuning@eartha.mills.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=coul1358/OU=AT/O=EZH,CN=Manuel op de Coul/OU=AT/O=EZH RouteServers: CN=notesrv2/OU=Server/O=EZH,CN=notesrv1/OU=Server/O=EZH RouteTimes: 20-10-97 16:12:05-20-10-97 16:12:06,20-10-97 15:12:45-20-10-97 15:12:46 DeliveredDate: 20-10-97 15:12:46 Categories: $Revisions: Received: from ns.ezh.nl ([137.174.112.59]) by notesrv2.ezh.nl (Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) with SMTP id C1256536.004DFE7C; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:11:54 +0200 Received: by ns.ezh.nl; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA21737; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:12:46 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:12:46 +0200 Received: from ella.mills.edu by ns (smtpxd); id XA21739 Received: (qmail 4281 invoked from network); 20 Oct 1997 07:12:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (HELO ella.mills.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Oct 1997 07:12:29 -0700 Message-Id: <19971020141337515.AAA203@NIETZSCHE> Errors-To: madole@mills.edu Reply-To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Originator: tuning@eartha.mills.edu Sender: tuning@eartha.mills.edu