source file: m1353.txt Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:57:09 +0000 Subject: Re: TUNING digest 1352 From: Mojisola Olubobokun tuning@eartha.mills.edu wrote: > TUNING Digest 1352 > > Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: TUNING digest 1351 > by Brent_LeVasseur/InTouch_Center@itc.tais.com > 2) RE: Temperament in English Virginal Music > by "Collins, Gordon" > 3) Greek scales and names confusion???? > by Charles Lucy > 4) RE: Temperament in English Virginal Music > by alves@orion.ac.hmc.edu (Bill Alves) > 5) Theremin Music and Tesla Lightning! > by sejic@nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu (World Harmony Project Inc.) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Topic No. 1 > > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:57:02 -0700 > From: Brent_LeVasseur/InTouch_Center@itc.tais.com > To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu > Subject: Re: TUNING digest 1351 > Message-ID: <882565C5.006D934C.00@cairvmail.itc.tais.com> > > 3 leads today so far > > ------------------------------ > > Topic No. 2 > > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:55:00 -0500 (EST) > From: "Collins, Gordon" > To: "tuning@eartha.mills.edu" > Subject: RE: Temperament in English Virginal Music > Message-ID: <3507B198@fsdsmtpgw.fsd.jhuapl.edu> > > Gordon Rumson wrote: > > >... what > >temperament would be suitable for English Virginal music? I just played > >through a Fantasy ut, re mi etc, by John Bull from the Fitzwilliam > >collection. There is a note: > > > >'This interesting experiment in enharmonic modulation is thus > tentatively > >expressed in the MS; the passage proves that some kind of "equal > >temperament" must have been employed at this date.' > > > >I doubt that it proves that. But what temperament would have been > >characteristic of the time? > > Quarter-comma meantone was nearly universal for keyboards at the time, > and would be most appropriate for all of the Virginalist repertoire with > one exception - that single piece by Bull. There's nothing tentative > about the enharmonic equivalence it assumes. Among other things, there > is an A - Db - E chord that must be considered the same as A - C# - E. > Thus an extension to meantone would not work. > > It certainly does not require equal temperament - any 12-note circulating > one will do. Personally, I think ET was most likely what Bull had in > mind. Mersenne had not yet published his string length figures, but as > far as I am aware ET was the only circulating temperament being discussed > at the time. > > There was a discussion on the harpsichord list a while ago on what > temperament to use for this piece. Various people have successfully used > everything from ET to one (the name of which escapes me at the moment) > with 10 pure fifths and two 1/2-Pythagorean comma fifths. > > Bull's fantasy was a one-time exception to the use of quarter-comma > meantone, not to be repeated for almost a century. Perhaps he did tune > ET for the piece, but no one liked the sound of it? > > Gordon Collins > gordon_collins@jhuapl.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Topic No. 3 > > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:23:19 -1000 (HST) > From: Charles Lucy > To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu > Subject: Greek scales and names confusion???? > Message-ID: > > One of the visitors at my http://www.ilhawaii.net/~lucy site sent me the > following comments. > > >According to an article on Greece in the New Grove Dictionary of Music and > >Musicians, ancient Greek names for species of the octave included the > following (on white keys): > >B-B: Mixolydian > >E-E: Dorian > >A-A: Hypodorian > >D-D: Phrygian > >G-G: Hypophrygian > >C-C: Lydian > >F-F: Hypolydian > >Apparently, the Greeks counted intervals from top to bottom. When medieval > >ecclesiastical scholars tried to interpret the ancient texts, they counted > >from bottom to top, jumbling the information. The names on the table are the > >ecclesiastical names. > > I checked back in Groves on scales,at the Westminster Music Library near > Victoria Station yesterday, yet am > still confused. > Can any of the tuning "experts" throw any light on this conundrum please? > For the complete letter please see > http://www.ilhawaii.net/~lucy/lsd/corrections.html > > TIA > Lucy > http://www.ilhawaii.net/~lucy > > > ------------------------------ > > Topic No. 4 > > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:43:52 -0800 > From: alves@orion.ac.hmc.edu (Bill Alves) > To: tuning@eartha.mills.edu > Subject: RE: Temperament in English Virginal Music > Message-ID: > > >Bull's fantasy was a one-time exception to the use of quarter-comma > >meantone, not to be repeated for almost a century. Perhaps he did tune > >ET for the piece, but no one liked the sound of it? > > One other possibility that has been proposed for this piece is that it was > intended for a double manual harpsichord with the two manuals tuned > differently. As I recall, the piece does not mix flats and sharps at the > same time, allowing one manual to be tuned for flat keys (say, meantone > centered on Eb) and the other for sharp keys (say, meantone centered on A). > > Bill > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^ Bill Alves email: alves@hmc.edu ^ > ^ Harvey Mudd College URL: http://www2.hmc.edu/~alves/ ^ > ^ 301 E. Twelfth St. (909)607-4170 (office) ^ > ^ Claremont CA 91711 USA (909)607-7600 (fax) ^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ------------------------------ > > Topic No. 5 > > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:36:50 -0500 > From: sejic@nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu (World Harmony Project Inc.) > To: World Harmony Project > Subject: Theremin Music and Tesla Lightning! > Message-ID: <199803131436.JAA37608@ufl.edu> > > - - - - - - - SPECIAL EVENT ANNOUNCEMENT! - - - - - - - > > NAME OF CONCERT EVENT: "Theremin Music and Tesla Lightning!" > > PRESENTER: World Harmony Project Inc. DATE: March 16, 1998 > PO Box 15464 PLACE: Hippodrome State Theatre > Gainesville, FL 32604 25 SE 2nd Place, Gainesville > TIME: 7-9 p.m. > > CONTACT: Shanti Vani (352) 337-1112 - E-mail: > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > "Theremin Music and Tesla Lightning!" > > What do exquisite music and crackly lightning have in common? 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